Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Melissa's avatar
8dEdited

Thank you for all the time you’ve put into these pieces. These things have been most helpful in sorting through my own feelings that something is off with the Trinity doctrine. In talking to some, it sometimes seems like it has become a doctrine that produces a feeling of superiority toward those who don’t just accept it because “everyone else does.” Being around that mindset is almost traumatic to someone who has carefully and intentionally pried themselves away from a different exclusivity doctrine in recent years. The Trinity doctrine also has vibes of exclusivity for me. No more organized religion for me. I will worship God alone and follow what is clearly in scripture…not a doctrine that continues to cause confusion and division.

Michael Gardner's avatar

Hey Jon, thank you for your writing and for this series. I appreciate the honesty of your wrestling. I’ve read all the posts so far and thought this might be a good point to start some dialogue, if you’re interested.

I’m pretty familiar with where you’re coming from. I rejected the Trinity most of my life as a 2x2, first largely out of ignorance, and later because I actively tried to understand and refute it as non-scriptural. At one point I even debated a Christian school headmaster to convince him that our not believing in the Trinity shouldn’t disqualify us from attending (it didn’t work). So being considered a heretic doesn’t particularly frighten me, and I don’t see you as less of a brother because you are wrestling with these questions honestly.

When I began deconstructing, I decided I wasn’t going to believe something simply because I inherited it or because it was considered “orthodox.” I wanted to test things carefully through prayer, experience and study. If that led somewhere non-orthodox, so be it. Ironically, where I eventually landed is not really along denominational lines, but ends up looking fairly orthodox in many respects.

One of the biggest things I took from my experience in the 2x2s is that theology produces communities and cultures. What we believe about God eventually reveals itself in how we treat people, because theology shapes our imagination of reality itself.

One thing I’ve wrestled with is whether certain forms of subordinationist theology can unintentionally create new mediation structures. In the 2x2 world, the workers functionally became spiritual intermediaries, and that concentration of authority led to abuse. I don’t think that was merely accidental. If God remains ultimately distant and inaccessible, and if access to Him comes primarily through exalted representatives, then hierarchy can begin to feel built into reality itself.

That raises questions for me like: why is Jesus exalted, and what makes that exaltation unique? If exaltation comes primarily through obedience, does that risk making proximity to God feel tiered, where the “most obedient” become the closest mediators and examples for everyone else? I’m not asking that rhetorically, I genuinely wonder how different Christologies shape the kinds of communities we build.

What increasingly drew me toward a more classical understanding was the covenant trajectory of Scripture itself. The Bible begins and ends with humanity in unbroken communion with God: Eden and New Jerusalem. Between those bookends is the story of humanity alienated from God’s life, grasping for control, trust fractured, communion broken, mediation necessary.

But throughout covenant history, God does more than merely issue commands. He reveals Himself. The covenant is not just a static legal arrangement but a relationship moving toward restored communion. God meets people where they are and progressively makes His faithful character known.

That’s part of why I eventually came to see Jesus not as a departure from that trajectory but its fulfillment: not merely a messenger pointing to God, but God’s faithful self-revelation within history. In Jesus I see both faithful Israel and faithful humanity: humanity as it was always meant to be in perfect trust and participation with God.

The Father/Son distinction also began making more sense to me in that framework. I don’t think of the Father and Son as competing beings, but almost as transcendence and revelation held together. The Father represents the inexhaustible depth of God beyond our grasp, while the Son is God’s self-revelation within creation and covenant history. Nobody knows the Father except through the Son, but through the Son we truly come to know the heart and character of the Father.

Anyway, sorry for the long message. I’ve appreciated your writing, and I’d genuinely be interested to hear your thoughts.

11 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?